SKIP THIS IF YOU HATE MY RELIGIOUS STUFF
HISTORICAL FIGURES:
NEXT TIME YOU ARE IN A HOTEL, STEAL A BIBLE AND LOOK THIS UP. DON'T WORRY, AT THE END ROBIN HOOD GETS A HIGH SCORE AND STEALING FROM THE RICH MAY IN FACT BE GOSPEL.
HEBREWS 8:4 -
If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already men who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.
IF HE WERE ON EARTH?
Presumably Jesus died. People spaced it off for 40 years. Nothing was written during the 40 year gap between the death of Christ and the first of the 4 books of the new testiment.
The only link in writing between the time of the death of Christ and the New Testiment was written by Saul (also called Paul and Salatarsis), who claimed to have seen a light that asked him why he was punishing the followers of Christ.
He converted and began to preach. When he discussed his knowledge of Christ he never once mentioned the virgin birth, Mary, Joseph, Jerusalem, miracles, raising people from the dead, curing the blind, the manger, the 3 kings, the star of Bethlehem and referrred to the other apostles as lazy and ignorant.
His 80,000 words are the only link we have between the death of Christ and the new testament. Yet the first Easter was celebrated on 2400 BC.
I AGREE: GOD IS A MATTER OF FAITH. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT TAUGHT AS A MATTER OF FAITH. IT IS TAUGHT AS A MATTER OF FAITH WITH A GUN TO YOUR HEAD.
IF I PUT A GUN TO YOUR HEAD AND SAY GIVE ME YOUR PURSE, I DID NOT USE ANY PHYSICAL FORCE ON YOU. I USED THE THREAT OF DEATH AND MISERY.
IF I PUT HELL BENEATH YOU AND SAY “GIVE ME YOUR SOUL”, I DID NOT USE ANY PHYSICAL FORCE ON YOU. I USED THE THREAT OF DEATH AND MISERY. I ADDED SOMETHING THOUGH: I PUT A CARROT ON THE END OF THE STICK. HEAVEN.
IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE THAT YOUR MORTAL SOUL AND INFINITY IN HEAVEN AND HELL DEPEND ON THIS, THAN THE ANSWER: “IT IS MERELY A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION” IS NOT A GOOD ANSWER. THAT LEAVES OPEN THE QUESTION THAT YOUR INTERPRETATION MAY BE WRONG.
THAT MEANS YOU MAY GIVE YOUR CHILD THE WRONG ANSWER. YOU MAY DAMN YOUR OWN CHILDREN BY THE MISGUIDANCE OF YOUR OWN FAITH. YOU DO NOT NEED TO THREATEN THE FLESH TO SAVE THE SOUL.
IF WE ARE GOING TO RAISE OUR CHILDREN WITH THE IDEA THAT THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE A GOD, BUT CHOOSE TO DO SO WITH A GUN TO THEIR HEAD, WE HAVE ROBBED THEIR SOULS AS CLEARLY AS THE MAN STOLE THE PURSE.
TO ME IT IS THE SHEEREST ACT OF IRRESPONSIBILITY TO TELL THE CHILD THAT THERE MAY BE A GOD OR THERE MAY NOT BE A GOD WITHOUT GIVING THEM THE SINCERE OPPORTUNITY TO AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH YOU. LET’S PUT DOWN THE GUNS, THE STICKS AND THE CARROTS.
IF THERE IS A GOD AND IF HE IS TRULY OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT AND PLACED US HERE WITH THE FREE WILL TO CHOOSE GOOD OR EVIL, THEN WHY ARE WE PACKING A GUN FOR HIM? WHY DO WE LURE WITH CARROTS AND HIT WITH STICKS?
“HEY, TEACHER, LEAVE THOSE KIDS ALONE. ALL AND ALL YOU’RE JUST ANOTHER BRICK IN THE WALL.”
I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE.
I SUGGEST YOU OPEN YOUR MIND TO THE POSSIBILITY THAT YOU ARE PACKING THE SAME PISTOL THAT YOUR PARENT PLACED TO YOUR HEAD.
FAITH IS AN HEIRLOOM FOR THE SAVED OR EXCOMMUNICATION FOR THE DAMNED. WHERE IN THAT DICHOTOMY DO WE FIND FREE WILL? IT IS A FALSE DILEMMA AND BASED ON WESTERN DUALISM.
CONSIDER THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE NO OPPOSITES. THAT ALL THINGS ARE DEFINED IN RELATION TO THAT WHICH WE PERCIEVE TO BE THE OPPOSITE.
WE BUILD OUR WALLS. I DO NOT STAND ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE WALL AS YOU. WE BOTH STAND ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE SAME WALL. HEY, TEACHER, LEAVE THOSE KIDS ALONE.
http://www.axisoflogic.com/cgi-bin/exec/view.pl?archive=139&num=20528
APOLLO, ROBIN HOOD DEEMED MORE LIKELY
AS HISTORICAL FIGURES THAN MOSES OR JESUS
In the recent Wasr on Christmas hullabaloo, the question asked, “Is there nothing sacred anymore?” My answer: Yes, there is something sacred. Most sacred is our innate curiosity, our ability to reason, and a determination to know truth. Any attempt to hinder human thought processes is great sacrilege.
Last century a student of mythology, Lord Raglan studied all the myths and legends that influenced western civilization in his 1936 book entitled The Hero. His basic premise is that the mythical hero’s life is a remnant of ancient ritual drama enacted at the coronation of priest-kings.
According to Raglan, rituals involved specific acts performed for magical purposes. Ritual dramas required participants play specific roles. A quasi-boiler-plate plot always determined the character’s role. Eventually, myths of priest-kings outlived the ritual and became many myths and folktales from which we derive many legendary heroes such as Hercules, or Moses, or Robin Hood.
Luke Skywalker and Harry Potter continued this archetypal tradition of mythical characters. They affirm inherited patterns of thought derived from past collective experiences of humanity. Freud believed these archetypes to be present in our subconscious psyches. Thus, their popularity, as well as opposition from adherents of competing myths, continues today.
Raglan concludes there are at least twenty-two standard archetypal characteristics of this duplicated singular myth. The closer the legendary character fits these characteristics the less likely the hero is a historical personage. Historical persons dramatically differ from Raglan’s twenty-two characteristics are as follows:
1. He is born of a virgin mother.
2. His father is a King.
3. The father has a unique relationship with the mother.
4. The circumstances of the child’s conception are unusual, often humble.
5. He is reputed to be the son of a god.
6. There is an attempt to kill the child/god shortly after birth.
7. He is spirited away, escaping a premature death.
8. The child is raised by foster parents in a far country.
9. We are told virtually nothing of his childhood years.
10. On reaching manhood, usually at age 30, he commences his mission in life.
11. He successfully overcomes the most severe trials and tests.
12. He marries a princess.
13. He is acknowledged as a king.
14. He rules.
15. He prescribes laws.
16. He loses favor with the Gods or his subjects.
17. He is forcibly driven from authority.
18. He meets with a violent death.
19. His death occurs on the top of a hill.
20. His children, if any, do not succeed him.
21. His body is not buried conventionally.
22. He has one or more holy resting places.
Lord Ragan counted each hero’s archetypal event. Alexander the Great received the most points for a historical personage, seven. Here is how some people you might have heard of scored.
Oedipus scores 21
Theseus scores 20
Moses scores 20
Dionysus scores 19
Jesus scores 19
Romulus scores 18
Perseus scores 18
Hercules scores 17
Llew Llaw Gyffes scores 17
Jason scores 15
Robin Hood scores 13
Pelops scores 13
Apollo scores 11
Following are some thoughts on Lord Raglan’s analysis:
A score of six or less qualifies one as a historical figure. This is not definite proof that the person existed, since most cartoon characters score low too.
A score of more than six indicates the hero does not represent a historical figure. This does not mean that the hero is totally fictitious. Rather it does indicate that many aspects of the hero’s life have been replaced by the archetypal fiction.
Some may ask why do humans seem compelled to revere their heroes as sacred. Humans need hero figures to compensate for their own disappointments, disillusionments, and lack of meaning in life. Some make heroes of Tiger Woods, George Bush, or Billy Graham. Others make heroes of Jesus, the prophet Muhammad, Buddha, Joseph Smith, or even Ron Hubbard (Church of Scientology).
NEXT TIME YOU ARE IN A HOTEL, STEAL A BIBLE AND LOOK THIS UP. DON'T WORRY, AT THE END ROBIN HOOD GETS A HIGH SCORE AND STEALING FROM THE RICH MAY IN FACT BE GOSPEL.
HEBREWS 8:4 -
If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already men who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.
IF HE WERE ON EARTH?
Presumably Jesus died. People spaced it off for 40 years. Nothing was written during the 40 year gap between the death of Christ and the first of the 4 books of the new testiment.
The only link in writing between the time of the death of Christ and the New Testiment was written by Saul (also called Paul and Salatarsis), who claimed to have seen a light that asked him why he was punishing the followers of Christ.
He converted and began to preach. When he discussed his knowledge of Christ he never once mentioned the virgin birth, Mary, Joseph, Jerusalem, miracles, raising people from the dead, curing the blind, the manger, the 3 kings, the star of Bethlehem and referrred to the other apostles as lazy and ignorant.
His 80,000 words are the only link we have between the death of Christ and the new testament. Yet the first Easter was celebrated on 2400 BC.
I AGREE: GOD IS A MATTER OF FAITH. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT TAUGHT AS A MATTER OF FAITH. IT IS TAUGHT AS A MATTER OF FAITH WITH A GUN TO YOUR HEAD.
IF I PUT A GUN TO YOUR HEAD AND SAY GIVE ME YOUR PURSE, I DID NOT USE ANY PHYSICAL FORCE ON YOU. I USED THE THREAT OF DEATH AND MISERY.
IF I PUT HELL BENEATH YOU AND SAY “GIVE ME YOUR SOUL”, I DID NOT USE ANY PHYSICAL FORCE ON YOU. I USED THE THREAT OF DEATH AND MISERY. I ADDED SOMETHING THOUGH: I PUT A CARROT ON THE END OF THE STICK. HEAVEN.
IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE THAT YOUR MORTAL SOUL AND INFINITY IN HEAVEN AND HELL DEPEND ON THIS, THAN THE ANSWER: “IT IS MERELY A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION” IS NOT A GOOD ANSWER. THAT LEAVES OPEN THE QUESTION THAT YOUR INTERPRETATION MAY BE WRONG.
THAT MEANS YOU MAY GIVE YOUR CHILD THE WRONG ANSWER. YOU MAY DAMN YOUR OWN CHILDREN BY THE MISGUIDANCE OF YOUR OWN FAITH. YOU DO NOT NEED TO THREATEN THE FLESH TO SAVE THE SOUL.
IF WE ARE GOING TO RAISE OUR CHILDREN WITH THE IDEA THAT THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE A GOD, BUT CHOOSE TO DO SO WITH A GUN TO THEIR HEAD, WE HAVE ROBBED THEIR SOULS AS CLEARLY AS THE MAN STOLE THE PURSE.
TO ME IT IS THE SHEEREST ACT OF IRRESPONSIBILITY TO TELL THE CHILD THAT THERE MAY BE A GOD OR THERE MAY NOT BE A GOD WITHOUT GIVING THEM THE SINCERE OPPORTUNITY TO AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH YOU. LET’S PUT DOWN THE GUNS, THE STICKS AND THE CARROTS.
IF THERE IS A GOD AND IF HE IS TRULY OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT AND PLACED US HERE WITH THE FREE WILL TO CHOOSE GOOD OR EVIL, THEN WHY ARE WE PACKING A GUN FOR HIM? WHY DO WE LURE WITH CARROTS AND HIT WITH STICKS?
“HEY, TEACHER, LEAVE THOSE KIDS ALONE. ALL AND ALL YOU’RE JUST ANOTHER BRICK IN THE WALL.”
I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE.
I SUGGEST YOU OPEN YOUR MIND TO THE POSSIBILITY THAT YOU ARE PACKING THE SAME PISTOL THAT YOUR PARENT PLACED TO YOUR HEAD.
FAITH IS AN HEIRLOOM FOR THE SAVED OR EXCOMMUNICATION FOR THE DAMNED. WHERE IN THAT DICHOTOMY DO WE FIND FREE WILL? IT IS A FALSE DILEMMA AND BASED ON WESTERN DUALISM.
CONSIDER THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE NO OPPOSITES. THAT ALL THINGS ARE DEFINED IN RELATION TO THAT WHICH WE PERCIEVE TO BE THE OPPOSITE.
WE BUILD OUR WALLS. I DO NOT STAND ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE WALL AS YOU. WE BOTH STAND ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE SAME WALL. HEY, TEACHER, LEAVE THOSE KIDS ALONE.
http://www.axisoflogic.com/cgi-bin/exec/view.pl?archive=139&num=20528
APOLLO, ROBIN HOOD DEEMED MORE LIKELY
AS HISTORICAL FIGURES THAN MOSES OR JESUS
In the recent Wasr on Christmas hullabaloo, the question asked, “Is there nothing sacred anymore?” My answer: Yes, there is something sacred. Most sacred is our innate curiosity, our ability to reason, and a determination to know truth. Any attempt to hinder human thought processes is great sacrilege.
Last century a student of mythology, Lord Raglan studied all the myths and legends that influenced western civilization in his 1936 book entitled The Hero. His basic premise is that the mythical hero’s life is a remnant of ancient ritual drama enacted at the coronation of priest-kings.
According to Raglan, rituals involved specific acts performed for magical purposes. Ritual dramas required participants play specific roles. A quasi-boiler-plate plot always determined the character’s role. Eventually, myths of priest-kings outlived the ritual and became many myths and folktales from which we derive many legendary heroes such as Hercules, or Moses, or Robin Hood.
Luke Skywalker and Harry Potter continued this archetypal tradition of mythical characters. They affirm inherited patterns of thought derived from past collective experiences of humanity. Freud believed these archetypes to be present in our subconscious psyches. Thus, their popularity, as well as opposition from adherents of competing myths, continues today.
Raglan concludes there are at least twenty-two standard archetypal characteristics of this duplicated singular myth. The closer the legendary character fits these characteristics the less likely the hero is a historical personage. Historical persons dramatically differ from Raglan’s twenty-two characteristics are as follows:
1. He is born of a virgin mother.
2. His father is a King.
3. The father has a unique relationship with the mother.
4. The circumstances of the child’s conception are unusual, often humble.
5. He is reputed to be the son of a god.
6. There is an attempt to kill the child/god shortly after birth.
7. He is spirited away, escaping a premature death.
8. The child is raised by foster parents in a far country.
9. We are told virtually nothing of his childhood years.
10. On reaching manhood, usually at age 30, he commences his mission in life.
11. He successfully overcomes the most severe trials and tests.
12. He marries a princess.
13. He is acknowledged as a king.
14. He rules.
15. He prescribes laws.
16. He loses favor with the Gods or his subjects.
17. He is forcibly driven from authority.
18. He meets with a violent death.
19. His death occurs on the top of a hill.
20. His children, if any, do not succeed him.
21. His body is not buried conventionally.
22. He has one or more holy resting places.
Lord Ragan counted each hero’s archetypal event. Alexander the Great received the most points for a historical personage, seven. Here is how some people you might have heard of scored.
Oedipus scores 21
Theseus scores 20
Moses scores 20
Dionysus scores 19
Jesus scores 19
Romulus scores 18
Perseus scores 18
Hercules scores 17
Llew Llaw Gyffes scores 17
Jason scores 15
Robin Hood scores 13
Pelops scores 13
Apollo scores 11
Following are some thoughts on Lord Raglan’s analysis:
A score of six or less qualifies one as a historical figure. This is not definite proof that the person existed, since most cartoon characters score low too.
A score of more than six indicates the hero does not represent a historical figure. This does not mean that the hero is totally fictitious. Rather it does indicate that many aspects of the hero’s life have been replaced by the archetypal fiction.
Some may ask why do humans seem compelled to revere their heroes as sacred. Humans need hero figures to compensate for their own disappointments, disillusionments, and lack of meaning in life. Some make heroes of Tiger Woods, George Bush, or Billy Graham. Others make heroes of Jesus, the prophet Muhammad, Buddha, Joseph Smith, or even Ron Hubbard (Church of Scientology).
posted by KELLY FRAZIER at 2:33 PM
2 Comments:
Good to hear from you so soon. It's interesting how you soften the blow these days. :)
FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT, I WATCH THE SAME SHOW'S YOU DO OBVIOUSLY,(SP?) FOR I DO BELEIVE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING WAS IN A DOCUMENTORY MOVIE I JUST WATCHED. I TEND NOT TO BELEIVE EVERYTHING I WATCH AND BELEIVE LESS OF THE THINGS I HEAR. I HATED THE FACT THAT I WAS GOING TO HELL ( I think I was told that since i can remember) MY TRUTH IS I DID GO TO HELL, I JUST FORGOT TO DIE. I BELEIVE LIFE IN IT'S SELF IS "HELL". LIVING MAY NOT BE HEAVEN, BUT IT AIN'T HELL. JESUS DID EXSIT, HISTORY HAS PROVEN THAT. SON OF GOD???? BEATS THE SHIT OUT OF ME, BUT IF HE OR SHE WAS PERSON AS YOU AND I???? "FUCK" WHAT AN ACT TO FOLLOW. I DO BELEIVE THE BEATLES SAID IT BEST.
LOVE, LOVE LOVE,
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